Lee Chaolan Game System: Arcade Cheat Category: FAQ Game Company: Unknown Game Category: Unknown Hint, Cheat, Walkthrough:   LEE CHAOLAN FAQ v1.0 by Hugh King (hking@nbnet.nb.ca) For Tekken Tag Tournament I've decided to update my old Tekken 2 Lee FAQ to bring it inline with Tekken Tag, more or less. I've added a bunch of notes on playing Lee, and his new moves, which I got from another general New stuff in Tekken Tag FAQ. The focus of this FAQ will be on how to play Lee, which moves to use, which not to use, as well as where and when. I'll also give opinions on Lee, and what I think are some decent strategies. Be warned, Lee basically sucks, so if you want to play him, you'll have to be accept the possibility of losing fairly often. Having said that, I find Lee to be a lot of fun to play. :) Now, on to the FAQ! This character profile outline scammed from Richard D (richardd@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca) Tekken 2 Lee FAQ - Revision & Updated to Tekken Tag Lee, Jan. 22, 2000! TABLE OF CONTENTS ---------------- A) In-Depth Opinions of Lee Chaolan Lee's Most Useful Moves for Tekken Beginners New Stuff That's Good B) Lee's move list C) Lee's combo list (not all are actually true combos, see below) 1) Dragon Knuckle combo 2) Low-High Kick combo 3) Spinning Kick combo 4) Razor Edge combo 5) Dragon Knuckle D) Lee's throws 1) Falling Headlock 2) Headlock Punch 3) Knee in the Head E) Lee's unblockables F) Lee's 10 hit string G) Lee V.S. the Whole World 1) Lee Chaolan V.S. the computer 2) Lee Chaolan V.S. local scrubs and button smashers 3) Lee Chaolan V.S. Turtles 4) Lee V.S. expert players (human) H) Lee Chaolan in Tekken 1 - this strategy guide is dedicated to the Lee players who don't like Law due to the ease and cheeze of his flipkicks, as well as those annoying yells. Lee seems more original too, instead of just a Bruce Lee clone. A) IN-DEPTH OPINIONS OF LEE CHAOLAN For starters, in Tekken Tag, Lee is still one of the weakest, if not the weakest character around. In a nutshell, he sucks compared to just about every other character. Having said that, like before I find he's still a lot of fun to play and fool around with. :) As before, the reason I play him is because his backflip and now, his new stance are just too cool! His slide, while still cool, is now _extremely_ limited in usefulness so that doesn't factor in as much. Unless you can do the one starting from a crouch, there's only a few times you might be able to use it safely. If you ask me, Lee really got the shaft in Tekken Tag in terms of power, in part probably because of lazy or rushed programming which saw him get the same limitations as Law. The most noteworthy and important of these is that the F+2,2,2 now no longer combos, and only the first two will hit. This only did minor damage before, but had the advantage of knocking the opponent over and thus giving Lee the initiative. Now, even that's been taken away. About the only real decent combo he has now is the old WS infinity kick for 4-6 hits, which is still useful in only extremely limited circumstances. This is even worse in Tekken Tag, where most characters have loads more moves that hit ducking characters. (mid level attacks) The only good thing is that Lee's df+2 now has a much better range for juggles, but I think this is universal to all characters, and not just Lee. (I haven't checked) Lee can fool around with the juggles now, but as far as I can tell, he really can't inflict serious damage with them, just low to possibly moderate. The other new moves I haven't really had a chance to try, as I always forget what they are when at the arcade. (I usually don't bring movelists to experiment, though I probably should) Lee's Most Useful Moves For Beginners If you're just starting on Tekken, the moves you need to know to play Lee are: 1) 4 (or 4,4,4,4) - great for interrupting (don't use f+4 - does no damage) 2) 1+3/2+4 - Lee has to rely on throws a lot more than most characters because his moves suck in terms of damage. 3) 4,3 - a good combo that does a little damage 4) D+4,4,4,4 - Lee's only real low combo, overuse it at your own risk 5) f+2,2 (,2) - Use the last 2 only on a counterhit, otherwise it won't hit 6) d+4,4,4,4 - Probably the most important attack of Lee's to learn, the Low-High lightning kicks are fantastic to interrupt opponent attacks. 6) WS+3,3,d+3,3/u+3/d+3...... - the infinity kick, not as useful as most scrubs and beginners think. New Stuff That's Good Low-High Kick Combo (d+4,4,4,4) The Low-High kick combo (d+4,4,4,4) is probably Lee's best new up-close combo - many players will probably fall for this, as they will take the low kick then try to attack, eating some of the lightning fast high kicks. Most players around here tend to be overly aggressive and try to sneak in a counterattack in between the high kicks, the good news is they are too fast for just about _anything_ to get through. There might be one or two moves - I think I've seen a player or the CPU get through once or twice, but odds are good if they try _anything_, even a low attack while still crouching, like a crouching jab or poke kick, they will eat a few kicks. This should work on players at least for a little while, until they learn not to try to get through the fast kicks. Hitman Stance This is Lee's taunting stance where his left leg is relatively straight and forward, his body resting low back on his bent right leg. With his left hand, he beckons the opponent in a "Come on" gesture. Lee's best move from this stance is by far the RP (2) Uppercut, it has very surprising range and comes out very fast - you can do it while still going into Hitman stance, before you even finish getting into it! Be advised, knowing and using this little fun fact will be _crucial_ to using Lee to full potential! Anyway, the uppercut from Hitman juggles very high, but also sends opponents flying back quite a distance, so juggles are hard to get in. Dragon Knuckle combo (f+2,2,2) is possible if they juggle high enough, you're far forward enough, and you're fast enough running up to them. I can only get it once in a while, but I haven't really tried under specific conditions, like the opponent being close when uppercutted or anything. I haven't really had the chance to experiment with other juggle attempts off this yet, but the range is such that only Lee's fastest attacks have a chance of making it. The LK kick from Hitman does a quasi-throw on counterhit, but is largely too slow and much less useful than the RP uppercut. RK from Hitman does a Bryan-like sweep with even greater range than Bryan's, however, it also seems slower, which is very slow execution, limiting the usefulness of this move quite a lot. Although I haven't done this yet myself, I know it will be important to learn and know the combos and moves that will end Lee in Hitman stance, especially given that he can start Hitman moves as soon as he even starts to go into the stance. Matter of fact, combined with executing Hitman moves as soon as Lee starts to enter the stance, will probably be the crucial difference between being able to use Lee to full potential. (which still isn't that great, but better...) This will be a lot like Lei, where certain moves will end him in one stance or another, like rushing punches, sidestep - where the number of punches and the direction of the sidestep will determine the stance. Lee won't be nearly as complicated, since he just got his new stance the programmers won't have added much depth to it, plus he only has one, unlike Lei. Plus once you get used to this, remember you can mix it up and finish combos without pressing 3, thus not going into Hitman if you don't want to. Hitman stance is also loads of fun to taunt opponents while not being too vulnerable. (most people tend to think you're completely vulnerable to any attack when in a weird stance - wrong... :P) In general, Hitman stance is a good addition IMHO, it's quite useful thanks to the surprising speed and range of the uppercut, plus it's cool and fun. Mobility is quite limited, but that's the tradeoff you have to take for it. These are the type of things that I like best in fighting games, moves that are cool, fun, and useful. :) Speed Freak Lee's main strength still lies in his speed, more so now than before as he has been made even a little faster. (kicks and moves, not foot speed) To a certain extent this is worse, as Lee's new F+4 kick, while lightning fast, inflicts about 0.5% damage health wise. It's basically useless, and becomes annoying when you're trying to do a 4,3 two-hit. Short Range Lee is a fairly close ranged offensive player, which means his range for most attacks is short, pretty well all of his combos are close range. This makes Lee vulnerable to the characters with better ranged attacks as they can sit back and wait for an opening. In addition, although Lee can do a decent job chipping and poking, he's nowhere near as good as say Nina or Anna, so it can be difficult and risky to try and stay in someone's face. That means Lee's style for me is generally trying to sneak past opponents long ranged attacks in a hop in, attack, and get back out of range. The problem is Lee doesn't do much damage for all the work he has to do to get an attack in, this is what makes Lee basically suck. Interrupting opponents attacks is also almost sure-fire going to be a big part of any decent Lee player's game, though this is risky, it will probably result in most of the damage Lee does. LEE'S WEAKNESSES Lee's got some big weaknesses, particularly that he lacks a fast executing, easy attack that does decent damage, has decent recovery and hits mid or low. This is one of the things all the 'big gun' characters have, in case you haven't noticed. Time for a brief run-down of why the good characters are good. All the good characters have good attacks that hit mid, or low. Take a few examples, Paul's deathfist and falling leaf, Kazuya and Heihachi's Wind Godfist (Jin's sucks because it hits high) and hell sweeps, and Nina's divine cannon and double palm. Every one of those attacks executes quite quickly, and hits mid or low, so the opponent has to block or try to sidestep - they can't duck, which makes all the difference. Lee doesn't really have any good damaging combos, which is another reason why he just doesn't stack up. A lot of Lee's attacks are high and can be easily ducked and countered - I find too many of his combos and moves end with high attacks that leave him exposed when compared to those of other characters. Lee also lacks a decent ranged attack(s), as most of his ranged attacks are delayed or slow, so most people will see them coming a mile away. Lee also doesn't really have any good low attacks except for the Razor's Edge, which is of limited usefulness once people learn it - which doesn't take long. Lee has no really good offensive moves, and no real defensive moves, except to try to interrupt opponent attacks with fast attacks. The major problem with his offensive moves is that most have little to no range, and the ones that do are slow to execute. (mostly the double jump kicks) On top of that, they don't do much damage either, and a lot of them don't even combo anymore. Lee - Needs a Reversal? I would have liked to see Lee get a reversal, as IMO he's the one who most needs it. Alas, it seems nobody on the design team particularly likes Lee, since as any player would tell you, game designers can make a character cool/popular by giving them the right moves and attacks. Were you surprised Paul got so popular starting with Tekken 2, when the designers went nuts on making him a total powerhouse? Deathfist with huge damage, falling leaf, double jump kicks, and reversals on top of those? Paul was and still is the last character who needs a reversal. Paul got real popular because the game designers made him totally kick ass, so I wish they'd do a little more for Lee. Btw, I have nothing against Paul besides the reversal, except that he may be a little too boring after a while - it pretty much always comes down to deathfist with Paul, given its huge damage. Lee also needs a decent ranged attack, I would recommend something to tack onto his ducking advance (f+N) which as far as I know, has no special moves possible at the end. This move should be much like the deathfist, Wind Godfist, and such, though I would expect it to be toned down from these, which would be fine as long as it wasn't basically useless. Though it wouldn't need to be as powerful, any such move should be reasonably damaging and useful, given Lee's weak moves compared with other characters. I would put it at roughly the same power level as Heihachi's deathfist for starters, and it should be a knockdown move. ------------------------ B) LEE'S MOVE LIST ------------------------ Lee's New Tekken Tag Moves - From Tekken Tag Tournament - New Moves List v1.6 by Midge (beja@gol.com) (I added a few minor things) ------------ Sidestep Throws (these could be backwards - I don't remember) Mudeater - Left SS, 1+3/2+4 Lee puts the opponent facedown on the ground, while holding their arm, laughs at them, then stomps on their head. Ring-Around Bulldog - Right SS, 1+3/2+4 Lee does a quick run around the opponent, then does a bulldog throw. This one looks cool since it looks like the sidestep and throw are all one motion. b+1,1,3+4 2 punches, enter Hitman style b+1,1,2 2 punches, backfist d/b+3 Low left sidekick, counter stuns! f+4 Lightning kick 4,4,4 Rapid kicks 3,3,3[B+3] [B+3] does a 'Faint high kick' in old kicks (straight from namco list, didn't check it) b+3 Side kick b+3,3[~4] Now this move is a bit special; if you press the buttons quickly, you will get a fake kick + side kick. But the second '3' can also be delayed, so basicaly you can wait for the first kick to hit to perform a late second kick. As for the [~4], it is an 'option' that can be used if the opponent blocks the second kick (and possibly only if you input the first button presses quickly). Is you press 4 at the VERY MOMENT the second kick is blocked, Lee will perform a throw. But be precise; you have 1 frame (1/60 sec) to do this! :) u/f+3 Jumpkick (somewhat extended range/reach) f+3+4 Spin jumpkick d+4,4,4,4 Low kick, rapid kicks D+4,4,4,4,3 Old low,low,low,mid but the 3 ends in Hitman Style b+4,3 Hammer kick (counter bounce-juggles), Hitman Style b,b+4,3 Mid power kick, Hitman Style 3+4 Enter Hitman Style D_d,d/f+4 Sweep When Lee is teamed with Kazuya, you can follow up this move with 2~2~1, and Lee will perform a weird special unblockable punch. SS+2 Snake punch Left SS+4 Power kick Right SS+3 Power kick f,N Quick step (ducking step in, a la Heihachi's f,n,d,df) In Hitman Style: Doesn't get hit with high attacks and autoblocks low attacks d or u Hitman style sidestep 1 Quick punch, back to Hitman Style 2 Juggling upercut 3 Trap kick (kind of a throw on counter) 4 Sweep Tag throw: -> Everyone: f, f+3+4, 5 Tagable moves: D,u+4 d,d/b+4 In Hitman Style, 2 b+4 you can tag out of this move even if it is guarded or doesn't hit at all. This is the only move in the game that allows it. Note: - Lee has 3 win poses and has 3 costumes in all. ----------------------------------- LEE's OLD MOVES - From <The Luke Mook> Tekken faq abstract Version 1.0 GRAPPLING TECHNIQUES 1+3 Neck Fracture 2+4 Chastisement Punch f,f+3+4 Knee Bash <behind> 1+3 or 2+4 Bulldog SPECIAL TECHNIQUES 2,2 Double Knuckle 1,2 1-2 Punch d/f+3 Step-In Middle Kick d,d/b+4 Blazing Kick D#,(U/B_U_U/F)+4 High Flipkick D#,(u/b_u_u/f)+4 Low Flipkick D#,(u/b_u_u/f) Feint Kickflip 4,3,4 Spinning Kick Combo 1,1,1,1,1 Left Fist Flurry F+2,2,2 Dragon Knuckle Combo D#,(U/B_U_U/F)+3+4 Flip Drop (WC)+3 Shin Kick 3,3,3 3 High Kicks (F stick to switch to middle kick) D#,d/f,d/f+3 Dragon Slide (N+4)~(u+3) High Kick, Flip Kick f,f,N+3+4 Dropping Slide Kick D+4,N+4 Lowkick, High Kick D+4,4,4,4 Razor Edge Combo f,f+3 Heel Drop b,b,N+3+4 Back Handspring f,f,N+3,4,[4] Shredder Combo (ends high) ,[(f_d/f)+4] - (ends middle) ,[(d_d/b)+4] - (ends low) (WS)+3,3,D+3,3.... Infinite Kick Combo Punctuating the combo with up stick yields an occasional heel drop. Down stick will give you occasional low kicks. (WC)+3+4 Silver Cyclone (unblockable) d/b+1+2 Silver Fang (u,u cancels;unblockable) d/f+1,2,2,1,3,3,3,4,3,4 Tenstring ------------------------- C) LEE'S COMBOS/MOVES LIST ------------------------- A combo is a chain of moves that once the first hit is connected, other hits cannot be blocked. Lee has basically none, as the only ones that will combo all the time are: 1) double jump kicks 2) f+2,2 3) 4,3 4) d+3,3 In all cases they only combo if the first hits. But given the piddly damage, who cares? Lee's combos basically aren't worth noting except the infinity kick, which was already mentioned. Use it when rising next to an opponent and if the first hits, you should get at least 4 hits. Juggling Lee can do a little, but not that much and the damage isn't that great, again. But you'll have to tack on every bit you can every chance you get given Lee is such a weakling. I use the f+2,2,2 a lot just because it's easy. Discussion of the combos and moves Lee's Slide (f,f,N,3+4) Lee's slide is not very useful anymore given its slow execution and the speed with which most characters can interrupt you. This is really a move you probably won't get much use out of, unless you can figure out how to do it from a crouch without having to f,f,N,3+4 - I never did figure this out or master it, though I've seen from renting and playing the CPU in Tekken 2 on PSX that it can be extremely useful as from there it comes out quite fast and is hard to block. Double Jump Kicks (f,f,f+3,4 or f,f,N,3,4 or uf/u/ub+3,4) The double jump kick is also very useful, the problem is its slow execution. Unlike Paul, who can tap only f,f+3,4 to get this out, Lee has to tap f,f,f to get the kicks out. This may not seem like much of a difference, but believe me, that extra tap seriously limits the usefulness of the kicks when compared to Paul's. Basically it ends up that you have to take another step or move farther forward before you can launch the kicks, this makes all the difference because it usually moves Lee into the opponent's range before he starts the kicks, so he usually tends to get knocked out of them before he gets them off. There are two other ways to get the kicks out, one is to f,f,N,3,4 where the N causes a delay that Lee can't afford the bulk of the time, resulting again in him getting hit before getting the kicks out. The last way to get the kicks out is to uf+3,4 but yet again there's a problem, this time that this doesn't carry Lee forward as much as the f,f ones, so you have to be right next to the opponent to connect by doing them this way. The problem with this is they are slow to execute as a short range attack, and Lee has tons of other attacks that are much faster. Spin Kicks (4,3,4) The Spinning Kicks are very fast, and quite effective at interrupting opponents who like to move in fast and start combos or run in and jump kick, so try to use them this way. They can be ducked quite easily though, so be careful. Against better players, you're usually better off to just do the first two, unless it's a juggle, since the first two are unbreakable if the first connects, but the third can be ducked or blocked. Flipkick (D,uf/u/ub+4) His flipkick is generally not that useful on its own except to catch opponents who like to pounce towards you while you're ducking. (eg. Armor King) It can still catch people off-guard if used sparingly, it's just that he's got faster combos that work just as well. Nearly anytime you got a flipkick off, you could've started the infinity for better damage faster. However, if you can connect with the uf flipkick, you can experiment with some juggling - it's just a better idea to initiate juggles with df+2. The Razor's Edge (D+4,4,4,4) Lee's Razor Edge combo definitely has the most potential to be overused, since it's his only multiple low hit attack. I usually use this as a fallback nearing the end of a round when both myself and my opponent only have about 25% life or less, since by then opponents usually aren't expecting it. Try not to do this too much, or opponents will begin anticipating it, and Lee is vulnerable for an instant after it. You can also use it as a counter hit when attacks whiff in front of you, but this leaves you a little open if blocked, so you should probably stick with either the Low-High kick combo (my choice) or the f+2,2 Dragon Knuckle for fast recovery. Remember you can now go into Hitman stance at the end of the Razor's Edge by pushing 3. The Flip-Drop (D,UF+3+4) Lee also has his flip drop attack that hits as it comes down, (D#,"UB or U or UF"+3+4) he lands on them with his elbow/falls on them. This is a good surprise move, since most players won't know what the heck you're doing for at least the first few times. (I've yet to see a Law player use this) It's also good to get Lei's that like to just lie there. Infinite Kicks Lee's infinite (as above - WS+3,3,D+3,3,3....) can be kind of cheap to use since I find it's hard to knock Lee out of it. It's still very possible, you just have to time it right, which can be difficult. Lee's infinite is extremely useful against players who do lots of close high attacks or throws. Just duck under whatever they do (assuming they're going high) and come up with the first 4-6 hits of the infinite just like the CPU. The Backflip Finally Lee has his backflip, (b,b,N+3+4) which at first glance doesn't seem to be very useful since it is a little slow. It's good to put some distance between you and your opponent, particularly after they back off while getting up from a throw. Most will then run right after you once you do it though, so be ready for their charging in. However, given the number of people that just like to start doing random combos, it can be useful as the b,b gets you out of the combo range to prepare for a possible counterattack, and if you think you should keep backing up, and you've got the space/time to get the backflip off, you can put some distance between you and the opponent. The b,b buffers into the backflip, resulting in some pretty decent space being put between Lee and the opponent. (if they are in the middle of doing moves and can't chase after you while backflipping) Personally, I do the backflip whenever I get the chance just because I think it looks really cool - I make reasons and places to use it, even if there are better moves I could use. :) In all honesty though it does put more distance between you and the opponent than a simple b,b and it seems to be faster (this could just be me) than in Tekken 2. It's still not a good idea to do it out of the blue, as opponents will charge in and whack at you before you can complete it if you try while they're just standing in front of you. In a nutshell, I find it adds some visual flair and I have more fun when fooling around with it. The Need For Speed As far as I can tell, Lee's speed is second to none, and matched by few characters, so virtually every time Lee and an opponent start combos at the same time, Lee's connects first. (assuming it was one of Lee's fast combos) Knowing this, anytime you think you see an opening, launch a punch combo, since they're fast, easy and have good recovery time. I prefer to use the F+2,2,2 since if the first hits, it's unbreakable, whereas the 1,1,1... can usually be blocked after the first two hits. For some reason, everyone seems to underestimate Lee's recovery time and always tries to throw after blocking the punch combo. Duck immediately after doing the combo, then come back up and throw them after they try for the grab, or if you want to do more damage and not chance missing, come up with the first 4-6 hits (depending on how close they are) of Lee's infinite combo for a whopping approx. 50% damage. -------------------- D) Lee's throws -------------------- Lee has 3 throws (please look at the moves section above). 1) Neck Fracture (1+3) This is the most common throw, which is also unique to Lee, and enables you to sweep slower characters immediately after falling to the ground beside the opponent for another hit. (sweep doesn't work on CPU though, roll away and come back with his slide, then sweep) This is probably Lee's most useful throw IMO, though the f,f+3+4 may be necessary if people keep escaping. 2) Chastisement Punch (2+4) This throw makes it difficult to sweep the opponent afterwards, since they're too far away to run in and sweep if they get up immediately, but as soon as they start to move to get up, you can do the Low-High Kick combo for a 2-3 hit juggle. (they have to start moving for it to hit though, works better on big characters) 3) Knee Bash (f,f+3+4) This throw is a very fast grab the opponent and smash his head on your knee, and also results in Lee being too far for a sweep, however, Lee recovers from this throw very fast, so you usually have time to run in and then sweep. ------------------------- E) Lee's unblockables ------------------------- Lee's Silver Fang unblockable is not very impressive when first viewed, as it does a measly 40% damage (as oppose to Paul - 80%, Lei - 70%). Not only that, but it is so slow Lee might as well be wearing a sign saying "Hit Me!" The only good use for this unblockable in my opinion is to start it, and then immediately abort it to try to fake out an opponent. Lee's Silver Cyclone, on the other hand is good for a surprise if someone hasn't seen it before, since Lee ducks down while charging it, causing high attacks to whiff, and then, WAANNGYAA! It does come out reasonably fast, but damage is still only around 40-50%, and as soon as opponents find out it can be ducked it, it immediately loses most of its effectiveness. It'd be fun to use against some Law player who likes to do the double flip kick too far away hoping you'll run into the second, since I'm pretty sure it would come out just as he landed from the second. ---------------------------------- F) LEE CHAOLAN'S TEN HIT STRING ---------------------------------- Lee's ten hit is one of Law's that starts very slowly and is very easy to be jabbed or poked out of. I don't recommend using it except when you're fooling around. -------------------------------------- G) LEE CHAOLAN V.S. THE WHOLE WORLD -------------------------------------- Note this pertains to Tekken 2 and may not work that well in Tekken Tag, I haven't had the chance to really analyze the different characters in Tag to give advice for each. Nor will I. You should watch other people playing whenever you're waiting and note what they do and what works and what doesn't for their characters (few people play Lee). That will give you an idea as to style, weaknesses, etc. Also note that pertains only to better players. 1) Lee Chaolan V.S. the CPU (version B) level 1 : Have fun. Try your combos, 10 hit string etc. Level 2 : Have fun. Try all your combos, 10 hit string. Consider giving the CPU a second round :P level 3 : The CPU starts to get tricky. No problem. Just run (f,f) up to the CPU character and throw him a couple of time to get out of sticky situations. The Neck Fracture (1+3) is good to use because you can roll away and follow with the slide (f,f,N,3+4). Start tapping forward as you get up so that after you stand, Lee will move slightly forward, then just hit 3+4. Remember you don't have to stand extremely close to throw. Just stand within the distance where yours hand can touch his/her hands. level 4 : This is where I start opening the round by always trying for a throw, as well as start playing the character the CPU is using against me. V.S. Yoshimitsu - wait for his double roundhouse (get practiced so the second whiffs or duck under it) and either Dragon Knuckle, flipkick, Razor Edge, Spin Kick (4,3), or do a WS+2 (juggles) V.S. King - Back off a few steps at the beginning of the round and try to stay about this distance away from him as much as you can. Wait for him to do the Frakensteiner and sweep when it misses, you can try for his juggling Low-High Kick combo as he gets up, too. Also, watch out for his Ali-kick, uppercut and his Ali-kicks. He also does the motion to grab you with a multi-part quite often, watch out for it. V.S. Lei - This H.K. cop loves to do his punch + back punch to you. Just duck both then do a flipkick, a WS+2 (juggles), the infinite, or a back throw. V.S. Jack. This big guy is slow, so try to use the Dragon Knuckle and Spinning kicks to interrupt his attacks a lot. In particular, wait for his two lunging punches, and try to get practiced so you can make the first or second whiff, then just move in with the Dragon Knuckle. Try the double jump kicks too. V.S. Roger/Alex - They like to do the Frankensteiner and love to do that sitting down kick. Treat them like King, but duck under the sitting kick then sweep or do a standing axe kick. (WS+3,3 - you can duck under the sitting kick no problem, if you've got the distance right) V.S. Paul - Just wait for him to finish his falling leaf combo and throw, Dragon Knuckle, Low-High Kick combo (every one hits - most damage) or Spinning Kick him (4,3). V.S. Michelle - Wait just within range of her low kick and as soon as she starts something, (usually the punch, sweep) hop back quick, then hop back in with Lee's axe kick (f,f+3 - use the 2 f's for the hop as well as the kick) or right after the sweep whiffs, do the Razor Edge and hope it's a counter hit, or try for the double jump kick. (pretty much have to use the f,f,f+3,4) V.S. Nina - Wait for her to do a combo and duck under it, since she tends to go high. Come up with the infinite like Heihachi or the WS+2. Watch out for the lunging double palm. V.S. Jun - Wait out of range for her to run in at you, and hop back as soon as she starts. Be prepared to duck even after this since she loves to throw. However, sooner or later, she does the cartwheel kick, you've got to back off enough so that it whiffs, then move in fast with the Dragon Knuckle. V.S. Law - Try to get him to do high combos, then duck under them and go for 4-6 hits from his infinite. Be very prepared to block low as Law loves to hop in and low kick, low sweep and low jab you. Immediately after blocking a low attack, while still holding down, hit 4 once to whittle at him. (or any other character) Level 5 : CPU will just sit back and relax and wait for your mistakes. If you are no good, it will block everything you throw at it and give you what you deserved. Keep playing the character using their weaknesses (CPU) to your advantage. You can still throw the CPU fairly easily, and if you do the Neck Fracture, try for the roll away, slide as you can usually get up by rolling back without fear of punishment if the slide is blocked. Use low punch or kick if you just need one more hit to finish the CPU. (d+1 or D#,4) Level 6 : Throws get hard to pull off. You're probably better off not trying for them after an attempt for the freebie at the start of the round since the CPU almost always breaks free. Don't just walk up to the computer and attempt a throw. You might even get reversed. Attempt a throw only after the CPU has done something wrong (after a combo). Level 7 : Time to show your stuff!! Play the character, and exploit their weaknesses. Cheese, throw, pattern-remembering, passively aggressive, you name it. Against him/her you have to use something you that you have not used before if you want to play aggressively, I prefer to try and wait for their mistakes. Level 8 : Heihachi - He is tough. Use the Razor Edge or Dragon Knuckle if any attacks whiff in front of your face, in particular, try to hit Heihachi with the Razor Edge as soon as he starts something. If you can tag him, it usually turns the Razor Edge into an unblockable. Finally, the most effective strategy, try to get him to whiff a high roundhouse or miss a throw while you're ducking it, and come up with the first 4-5 hits of Lee's infinite combo. This does about 50% so if you can get it twice, you should have him. Level 9 : Kazuya Mishima is even tougher than Heihachi, use the strategy for Jun, backing off as soon as you see him coming towards you, and keep backing off until you see him do an attack. If he whiffs the jumping uppercut, or puts his head down, nail him with the Dragon Knuckle. The best strategy is the same as Heihachi's, the infinite for 50%, however it's much harder to get Kazuya to whiff a kick so you have to watch for his missed throw. You can also start the infinite if you can block his hell sweeps, but you can only get 1-3 hits max if that. (knocks him back a bit though) Level 10 : Devil is actually much easier than Kazuya or Heihachi to me. Devil pretty much constantly whiffs high roundhouses and throws, perfect for 4-5 hits from the infinite. Be careful not to get knocked over, since he may not let you get up before 3-4 sweeps. When Devil does the ground laser, duck! If you're close enough, the infinite will tag him as you rise. When he air lasers, run towards him and nail him as he comes down. Lee CPU Cheese (medium difficulty don't know if it works on harder levels): After knocking them over with the Dragon Knuckle, run over right next to them immediately, then back off once. They rise with an attack, wait for it to whiff then nail them with the Dragon Knuckle again and repeat. 2) Lee Chaolan V.S. local scrubs and button mashers First of all, have no mercy. Pound the opponent into the ground if you really want to win, since Lee's attacks are only average and opponents usually have better damage. Constantly be on guard, even against people who don't know what they're doing, Lee sucks and you're the one at a disadvantage against just about everyone. Have no mercy even against the little kids or be prepared to lose! :) Actually, I find Lee can actually be tough to play against Law scrubs and button mashers (unless you want to destroy them with his infinite...) since even though the flipkick is SOOO predictable, if one connects, you can lose 50% life in an instant, due to juggling and pouncing. After blocking the flipkick, nail him with the Dragon Knuckle to ensure they can't block before being hit. In addition, most Law players I've played against aren't used to their own attacks and tend to eat the last hit or two of the Dragon Knuckle by trying to duck under it, or are always surprised when the Spinning kicks knocks them out of a combo/running jump kick, even though they do it all the time with Law. Against Baek, watch out for his his kick which juggles you high, since you can take major damage from a juggle combo too. Again, most of these players aren't used to having their attacks interrupted, so be a little more aggressive than normal, just don't go too crazy. If they insist on doing his stupid 3 low kicks combo, block it low then punish them with the infinite. Again, be careful of the 2 low kicks which turns into the high juggler or you'll eat major damage. Jack-2 players here are also a little less than original, and use his high-scissor, low-scissor, which does an annoying close to 50% damage, all the time. Once you start blocking it, they tend to back up fast for fear of punishment, which is when I like to follow them and throw (1+3) since there's no way Jack-2 can get away from Lee, just for being so slow. Follow with a sweep. After you've done this a few times, they tend to just sit right where they are low, and maybe do another low scissor if you wait too long to try a counter. If you think they're going to sit low, it's payback time, nail them with the infinite, and if you want just keep it going, with the occasional low kick, although you can be knocked out of it. If you've gotten used to Lee's speed, throw out the Dragon Knuckle if you think you see Jack-2 starting something. Be careful of his double-fisted windup that goes under high attacks, though. Scrubs and button smashers are also usually poor at blocking the Razor Edge, so you can probably use it without fear of punishment, as long as you don't mind being called cheap. (even though all they have to do is block low) 3) Lee Chaolan V.S. Turtles Ever play a turtle who ducks down and block all the time, and waits for your mistake? Lee has lots of interesting ways to deal with these people. First of all, his axe kick (f,F+3) will get these players for some good one-hit damage, though this will probably be only useful a few times when unexpected, since the execution is a little slow. He also has his flip drop (#D, {U or UF or UB}+3+4 that hits high/mid, and is very seldom used, so it usually catches them by surprise. His kick, flipkick combo can be very useful against turtles, giving you the opportunity to try for some juggles. Finally the infinite again, if they get too close. 4) Lee Chaolan V.S. expert players (human) It is quite pointless to provide a guide for Lee V.S. characters controlled by humans. It is simply because different people can play so differently with the same character. Keep up the variety though, and don't be predictable, and you can surprise many, so try to be unpredictable with your moves. Adjust your style to meet your opponents. Mix up attacks to confuse your opponent. Also a lot of players do not block low very well. You can dash in and do the Low-High combo (finish it with a F+3 if they block) and maybe sweep them again when they are down. ------------------- TEKKEN TAG ADVICE Sometimes you'll see some good players losing to button mashers, this is usually when the better players are screwing around. Fact of the matter is though, if you value your $0.50, don't screw around, especially with Lee. You will lose very fast, over and over. This happens to me all the time as I'm constantly screwing around with Lee trying stuff. :) Well, to people who never learn the trick to fight V.S. button smasher, they deserved to die. Trash talkers can go home if you counter their cheap tactics with cheap ones of your own - it's battle, you do whatever you can in the game to win. Just don't go shoving, elbowing or physically interfering with other players. But if there's a move in the game that's cheap, well you have to learn to deal with it. Most good fighting games will allow a good player to block and avoid cheap moves, although usually more difficult than it should be given the payoff of retaliation, that's the way it is, you just have to be careful and beat them anyway using skill. (at blocking, avoiding or countering their cheap stuff) Sorry if I offend anyone, but that's the way it is. Swim or sink. There are cheap moves, but you better figure out a way to counter them. If some mindless scrub keeps doing something to you and you don't like it, stop playing the game for a while, and take a break. When you've thought of a way to counter it, or are in a better frame of mind for dealing with the attack (not spazzing on reflex) go back in there and kick their butt. :) No point in steaming, or getting physically violent over a videogame though. Me, I usually have trouble getting a long winning streak, since I tend to take characters I'm trying to learn or experiment with after a few wins, and then lose. Not that I can just keep winning with my characters of preference, it's just I can get a longer streak for sure. Final Note: many of the CPU strategies can work against humans *IF* you can really see the same attacks coming. Some ideas of how to vary your opening 1) F+2,2,2 2) 4,3,4 3) back off (b,b) 4) backflip (b,b,N+3+4) 5) d+4,4,4,4 6) dash forward (f,f) and throw opponent (1+3/2+4 or f,f+3+4) 7) try jump kick (f,f,f+3,4) ----------------------------- H) Lee Chaolan in Tekken 1 ----------------------------- Unselectable except on PSX version. Kazuya's sub-boss. Basically most of his attacks in two were in the PSX version of one. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh King - http://members.xoom.com/hugh_king/index.html hking@nbnet.nb.ca